Interview with Saulo
Andy Bromberg - CEO at Eco

I am very glad to have the opportunity to invite you for an interview at HolaEco.

I would like to discuss with you the important developments that have taken place in ECO over the past few months.

I am very glad to have the opportunity to invite you for an interview at HolaEco.
I would like to discuss with you the important developments that have taken place in ECO over the past few months. I hope that our conversation will be useful for readers and will help to understand what goals the Eco Association has set for itself, what important tasks the team solves and what mechanisms exist for the successful work of the community.

I would like to talk to you about all this and much more…

I'm sure you had an amazing time in Lisbon attending the ETHGlobal conference. I envy you, you had a great adventure! 
Could you describe in simple words what the essence of the conference is and what qualitative changes await Eco thanks to your successful work on ETHGlobal?
What goals did you set for yourself and what was accomplished?
The qualitative changes were to increase exposure, create more possibilities for networking with other leaders, and encourage more of these events. I think we were successful in all those because we connected very well with the Optimism team, everyone was excited about the event and felt inspired to participate in ETHGlobal Waterloo, winning once again 1st place in the category.

My personal objectives were to engage in real life with the community, make history by taking part in the *first* live event promoting Eco, and challenge myself to try a new format by producing something novel for the ecosystem. I believe I achieved all objectives since I meet members of the Eco community and Association in person, and I overcame the difficulty of the challenge.

Participating in live events is challenging; it requires a whole different mindset than sitting comfortably in front of a computer at home. There are so many subtleties one overlooks that I could write a lengthy essay on the subject, a lot is unpredictable both in good and dreadful ways.

Regardless, we're pushing forward, and I want to share exclusively with HolaEco that we recently received confirmation that we will be attending ETHGlobal Paris. We set a high bar for the Lisbon event and it will be challenging to meet it again, but we'll try our best. I'll try to make up for Lisbon's flaws.
This is a time of change. Together we are seeing the changes in the structure of Discord and are learning how to find the right solutions so that the community can successfully work and grow.
Two seasons have passed after the launch, so to sum up some results, what in your opinion was a success and what was a failure? How do you see the next changes? What these changes will be and what is the main goal of the team and the project in the near future, in your opinion?
"Rushing" in season 1 was by far the biggest flop. Many participants were lost in translation and others were preoccupied with starting anything, which is never desirable in my opinion. Despite my best efforts to correct many of the false assumptions and suggested courses of action by other members, we are currently at a standstill as a result of feelings of disappointment and underappreciation. I believe we are going backward in order to correct some of those errors, but this is life, and since the vast majority of L3 members lack experience in governance so failure is inevitable until they choose to pay attention and exercise greater caution.

The biggest success was the failure. Success comes after failing multiple times and we will eventually get it right. It enabled us to recognize key community members and rediscover those that support us during difficult times. When things are going well, it's simple to remain upbeat, but when things aren't going well, it's the genuine believers and participants that stand out.

Quite easy, the main goal of the team is autonomous decentralization for the foreseeable future at a level not often seen elsewhere. Though I would like to, I am unable to say more. I can only say that many of us may be surprised by the team's cooperation in achieving that level of decentralization.
In many projects, immediately after the release of a token, users lose interest, stop participating, and look for fresh projects to make quick money. I know that you often condemn this position of people. How do you think to retain participants after the release of the token and develop the system so that users are motivated to work for the long term?
Users don't lose interest; rather, it's because they never had any interest to begin with. The problem is that some people have already joined with the intention of bending the rules. I do not condemn users losing interest if that is a result of a natural cause.

People don’t change, they discover themselves. We are all unique individuals with various objectives in life, so I don't really judge people who hunt for new projects to earn quick cash. I’m capable of quickly identifying and accepting the priorities of various people and I’m often, very often, not fooled. I make an effort to express my viewpoint in the hopes that it can persuade others and I did it more than once. These community members personally thanked me for changing them but I didn’t really change them I just showed them the way, which makes me incredibly happy and realized.

I place a lot of faith in people; that's how I view the world. However, I don’t retain participants. I retain zero! In actuality, I make no effort at all. I also expressed my worries at various points to other individuals who were working to keep participants following the token distribution. You can't do that because then there won't ever be a genuine relationship; only one based on greed, interest, and misalignment. The stronger filter, the cleanse, will keep the long-term and mission-driven members, therefore I support users selling all of their tokens as soon as they can and moving on so that we can start working on the building blocks that will shape the Eco-system.

Community is fundamental and frequently undervalued because it takes time to build trust in a group, but it’s crucial to develop ways to assist those who will make the most contributions to the project's long-term objectives, finding those people who will assist you in achieving those objectives is a difficult process so it never ever works if it’s forced.
I want to introduce readers closer to you because you are an amazing person. I rarely meet people with such a high level of engagement and dedication to the project. Tell us about the skills you've learned through your time with the project.
Thank you! I have learned so much I don’t even know where to start with.

Without going into depth… I learned how to code, be a clown, test boundaries, provoke, make people cry, make them laugh, change mindsets, go back to my roots, find my real best friends, explore new relationships, learn new skills, lose all my emotions, better control my emotions, care for nothing, care for everything, open myself to give everything others want, be savage until I get what I want, think better, write better, went from millionaire to poor before returning to midway, from a profound melancholy brought on by stress to some of my life's happiest moments… I learned and experienced so much that it's kind of overwhelming. Yes, all thanks to or because of Eco.

Nobody among us is aware of how Eco did alter my life yet. I don't want to divulge a lot of it just now since I've learned from a great leader to wait to share info until you're sure. I hope he’s reading this!

Wait to reveal what you're going to do until you can no longer modify it, even after you think you know what you think you want to do. You may believe you know what to do, but circumstances can change rapidly, making it important to err on the side of caution and position yourself.

Maybe this will make sense later. Stay put and you may find out, or maybe not. I will keep holding it until I can’t change it any more.
You often express a point of view that may be different from what is generally accepted, but you are always confident and know exactly what you are talking about. I love watching then what you write, as often your seemingly epathetic actions make sense. Where does this spirit of rebellion and desire to make people think outside of standards come from in you?
I am a person who didn't have much growing up and came from nothing. I never met my father, my grandfather was my actual father and he died when I was 12 years old in a very drastic and sad way. It changed me forever. I started working when I was 16 years old, and I moved out when I was 18 y/o, but I wasn't there way before then.

In order to survive, I worked dozens upon dozens upon dozens of jobs. I lived and sleep on the streets. I have interacted and shared my life with individuals from homeless, criminals, illegal workers, and my country's political family members. I fed a lot of people and often went without food. I went from being worthless to being worth everything, I learned from the worst about how to not be like them, and I always prefer to have nothing to be like them. This makes me a disagreeable person with firm beliefs who is difficult to change.

It may not look like it sometimes but I’m a very compassionate and understanding person, I just don’t believe in making people's life granted. I have a lot of experience with people and I know what moves them, I know how to read them. At the same time, the need to think quickly and discern how to fix the breakable makes me a “crazy” person.

Many people find it difficult to follow my thoughts and grasp my viewpoints since I live in the future until eventually they discover I was just like a broken clock.
You spend a lot of time, energy and energy keeping the community running, creating opportunities for everyone to fulfill their potential. You always stay in touch, open and willing to help. Do you have specific end goals that you want to achieve together with the project? And is there an end point in your mind where you can say, "I did it! It worked out and I'm happy!"
Fantastic subject matter: happiness!

My ultimate goal is to contribute to Eco becoming the best, but it's challenging because it represents many minds with disparate opinions, and a compromise that pleases everyone needs to be reached most of the time.

In all honesty, I'm rarely completely satisfied with anything, and I constantly strive for the finest before improving it even further. I personally disagree with many of the decisions and methods used, as well as the outcomes, and it is my responsibility to be a hard ass who beats and yells until everything is stronger and better.

I'm rarely happy about something, just days ago I fired everyone and then hired them all back. People learn how to get past my brutal honesty and my willingness to speak what's on my mind, in the end they realize my raw honesty is what gives me value, it's the fact that they can rely on me that makes me valuable.
Sometimes our dreams are doomed to fail, we reject reality and try to do our best and still not get the results we want.
Tell me what needs to happen for you to lose enthusiasm, give up and stop taking part in a project, saying: "I really did everything I could, but it didn't work out..."

I really hope I never hear you say this, but I would still like to know what can stop someone who is so enthusiastic and dedicated to a project.
Nothing!! If the people behind Eco are honest and have integrity they will have my unconditional support until the end of days. I’m super kind and sweet but I will crush everything and everyone who stands in the way, no exceptions.
Many people know that you live in Portugal, I also read that Portuguese is a very difficult language to learn. Sometimes I think that the more complicated a language is, the more difficult it is to understand the soul of the people who speak it. To me and to many other members of the community you are an outstanding representative of your country. What do you think are the character traits that you have which characterize and reflect the Portuguese identity and cultural code?
That’s a very interesting question, quite hard to answer. I want to salient I don’t consider myself a person of Portugal, I consider myself a person of Earth. I don’t believe in religion, I believe in nature. I also don’t believe in justice, I believe in karma. However, created in a country of traditions, Portuguese have very specific qualities which I think I have that represent my country the best…

Being welcoming is my best quality, I’m easy-going and friendly first, always. While first impressions may look like otherwise I’m actually like that. I’m a great listener and very understanding about life, I will make it “easy” for you to understand and be the best of yourself.

Family is very important in Portugal, and I think I represent it very well. My real family is my friends and currently, I’m being super selective about my inner circle but I will stand by them no matter what, sometimes even damaging myself.

I’m always late at everything, you have first-hand experience with my constant tardiness on a few occasions. Being late is a common occurrence in Portugal, it's highly common for people to arrive late in my country. I'm making an effort to get better at it, but sometimes it's stronger than me.

Food is crucial for us. We enjoy eating a lot and good food. I'm trying to dramatically alter my diet to try to live longer and have a better quality of life by simply drinking water or tea, avoiding meat unless it's absolutely necessary or in exceptional circumstances, and practicing continuous fasting. My long-term objective is to eventually only consume fruit and vegetables while engaging in extended fasting.

I like to talk a lot and I do know how to get to people if I want. Portuguese people are social people and like to talk.
I love reading the responses from my guests, it's always exciting for me.
At the end of the interview, I would like you to leave a few important thoughts that you would like to share with our readers.
Thank you for the interview, Lilishka.

For my closing thoughts, I would like to extend one of your questions and speak about happiness. On my birthday I had a conversation with an amazing person, we briefly touch on what means to be happy. Many people tend to forget the balance of life and what means to be happy, often they look at material things and forget about everything else.

Sadly we're really not wired for happiness. Natural selection only really cares that we live and procreate and our mind kind of deceives us with a process called “miswanting”.

Firstly, we all have these intuitions about the types of activities we should be doing to feel better, but many of those intuitions are just wrong and this is one of the most frustrating aspects of the mind. Consider the case of money, it gives us access and while it facilitates our life, being happy is much more than having money. More money won't make you happier if you already have enough for your expenses. The same also goes for work, lazer, and everything else.

Secondly, we have a propensity to think subjectively, which is another irritating aspect of the mind. We often make comparisons and "setting a reference point". We frequently contrast our possessions with those of other people: we contrast our holdings, our roles, our access, and even the quantity of what we partake in. And it's an issue because it means that even if we are objectively doing well in life, we will still feel inferior as long as someone else is succeeding.

Lastly, our tendency to get accustomed to things is something called "hedonic adaptation". It's wonderful when you first have an experience but eventually, you start to get used to it. It implies that with time, things stop having the same impact on our enjoyment. Hedonic adaptation also has an additional flaw which results in a prejudice known as the "impact bias" in our judgments. We believe that positive events will have a significant and long-lasting impact on our happiness, but the research says otherwise.

So, how can the Eco community be more happy?

Every study that has been done on happy people indicates that they are more social. They spend a lot of time physically interacting with others and truly value spending time with friends and family.

We simply overestimate how satisfying a social interaction can be but simple straightforward interactions in real life, especially in real-time, can greatly enhance our well-being. Doing nice things for other community members and attempting to become slightly more other-oriented is an action that has a significant impact on our happiness.

We frequently believe that taking care of ourselves is the key to happiness, but happy individuals are much more other-oriented.

The Ecommunity needs to rewire their happiness, alter their thought patterns, adopt a mindset of focusing on our blessings, and increase their altruistic efforts for others. If we know the right things to do and actually do them, our levels of happiness can be substantially changed. We should all move forward together and encourage one another because… We are one.
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